ha ha. i was just trying to describe how small it was. like many of wistuba's plants, it came in tiny, smaller than a dime. it's just now hardly bigger than a quarter. i got an ephippiata about a year and a half ago that has not grown in size at all. still dime sized. i've gotten some really nice plants from wistuba and the prices are decent, but sometimes i wonder if it's worth it when they're practically seedling sized.