Well Pokie and BigB, I have about 200 seedlins in vitro loving the jello, and about 50 seedlings on compost, and of course the compost is a little more work but the reason for my doing this is they were contaminations and I didn't want to do the rescue replate work, so I just dipped them in a 2% H202 solution for a bit and tossed them on the compost, they are happy, not as happy as the "jello" lovers. It was my being lazy and I was curious what the suirvival rate would be, so far so good. And yes I have found the same to be true BigB that once they produce pichers they tend to do better.