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Young Nep lower leaf die off. Help please.

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Hello everyone. I have a small 10 gal highland set up. It has a 48w T5HO over it for about 14 hrs a day and the humidity stays around 80%. There is about a 10-degree temp drop at night +/-. Everything seems to be good as far as the setup goes. However, all the lower leaves seem to die off fast so only the top 3rd of the plant is green and have leaves and traps. The larges plant in this setup is about 8-10 inches across and everything else is much smaller.

Any help is greatly appreciated.
 
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Hey,

Depending on the amount of green "healthy" leaves, it may be just fine, but there are definitely some other factors and information that could help in seeing the issue and how to solve it. Are the leaves burning or darkening? How are the pitchers? Does the new growth seem smaller than before? How close are the plants to the lights? Moss growing? These can all help indicate health in the plant.

Any pictures would be great as well!
 
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Here are a couple plant and they all look the same in one way or another. Depending on the plant they are all 8"-12" away. My Heli seems to be doing just fine. Most of the moss seems to be doing of(I've always had so-so luck with live moss).

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Your plants look fine, new growth is green and healthy looking and it's just old leaves dying off naturally. However, that "jamban" looks like inermis or dubia.
 
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Your plants look fine, new growth is green and healthy looking and it's just old leaves dying off naturally. However, that "jamban" looks like inermis or dubia.

Thank you for the reply. I got the Jonian from a common friend(or I'm at least im 90% sure). After I got it he said it might be a cros but he's not sure.
 
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The plants look great! Plenty of healthy growth and pitchering. I would not be worried in the slightest.

Indeed, as it was previously stated, that is not N. Jamban. Looks very much like N. Dubia to me, but likely N. Dubia x Jamban.
 
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The plants look great! Plenty of healthy growth and pitchering. I would not be worried in the slightest.

Indeed, as it was previously stated, that is not N. Jamban. Looks very much like N. Dubia to me, but likely N. Dubia x Jamban.


Like I said it was lent as a Jamban but later he had gotten some info and said it might be an X
 
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N. dubia and inermis both possess red stems and a compact, erect growth form that jamban doesn't have, as well as young pitchers with a broadly infundibular lower half and more constricted, sometimes semi-flattened but often cylindrical upper half as well as a heavily slanted pitcher mouth, and they're produced on rather short tendrils so the pitchers "float" just off the leaf tip. N. jamban, even from a young age, has more slender leaves, no red stem, and pitchers from very early on are narrow in the base and broad above with a wide mouth that stays more horizontal.
 
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N. dubia and inermis both possess red stems and a compact, erect growth form that jamban doesn't have, as well as young pitchers with a broadly infundibular lower half and more constricted, sometimes semi-flattened but often cylindrical upper half as well as a heavily slanted pitcher mouth, and they're produced on rather short tendrils so the pitchers "float" just off the leaf tip. N. jamban, even from a young age, has more slender leaves, no red stem, and pitchers from very early on are narrow in the base and broad above with a wide mouth that stays more horizontal.

Thank you for the reply. Always Interested in learning something new.
 
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Jamban leaf shape (even at that size) has a bit more tear shape to it and the tendrils are much longer. Also the pitchers exhibit the "toilet" shape pretty early on, and the peristomes are a bit wider/exposed. Dubia, in contrast, exhibits a smaller peristome to pitcher body ratio.

Below is a picture with my Jamban at a similar small size. Note the leaf shape and pitcher morphology. This plant may be a little older than yours, but it is still very different.

<a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/141834839@N05/40691359440/in/photolist-24ZKRuL" title="N. Jamban"><img src="https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1753/40691359440_b76b67c8e4_z.jpg" width="360" height="640" alt="N. Jamban"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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Jamban leaf shape (even at that size) has a bit more tear shape to it and the tendrils are much longer. Also the pitchers exhibit the "toilet" shape pretty early on, and the peristomes are a bit wider/exposed. Dubia, in contrast, exhibits a smaller peristome to pitcher body ratio.

Below is a picture with my Jamban at a similar small size. Note the leaf shape and pitcher morphology. This plant may be a little older than yours, but it is still very different.

<a data-flickr-embed="true" href="https://www.flickr.com/photos/141834839@N05/40691359440/in/photolist-24ZKRuL" title="N. Jamban"><img src="https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1753/40691359440_b76b67c8e4_z.jpg" width="360" height="640" alt="N. Jamban"></a><script async src="//embedr.flickr.com/assets/client-code.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Thank you. It's a shame as I wanted a Jamban really bad.
 
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not sure what your budget is but there are jambans available from a couple vendors currently :) I also love the species
 
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