Hi all
Go to sleep for a few hours and look what happens!
Peter: your post up top there perfectly illustrates the point of my last few pages of posts. You guys are on the same "side", and yet there are those differences...
WPG I wasn't meaning to make fun of your religion, it's called debate, but if you (or anyone else) feels I am belittling your religion then it's time for me to stop. Greater minds than ours have debated this topic and as we all know, neither side will have anything new to say, nothing will be proven conclusively and our respective feelings are all quite obvious to each other.
WPG wrote:
In saying this you are wrong - I do not "choose" not to believe in God, I can not believe in God! If I add up the evidence of his existence in my head, it doesn't make sense to my way of thinking.
If you don't understand this, ask yourself what is your favourite colour. If your fav colour is (for example) blue, then ask yourself why you choose not to like red as your fav colour. You can begin telling everyone that you like red best and start wearing red clothing, etc but it won't change the fact that you really like blue better. I cannot make myself believe any more than you can make yourself like a different colour.
Mike, thank you very much for the offer of the notes but my wife attends weekly Bible study here and I have seen her notes. As I cannot accept the Bible as being anything other than a book that was created by the hand of man, the words don't mean anything to me when I read them.
Aaron, good luck dude.
While I have been fighting for a little slack from the others re your beleifs, I too have concerns. You do know that Joseph Smith "read" the plates (which weren't actually seen by anyone other than a bunch of his cronies) by putting a magic seer stone in his hat and covering his face with it? This has been confirmed by the eyewittness accounts of his wife and the other people that he dictated to?
I'm sorry that this will no doubt provide fuel for the mainstream Christians to "dis" you all the more but you're a great person and I'd hate to see all your postivity and goodwill go to waste on something that MAY be a scam. I hope you have done some unbiased research on the basis of your religion and if you have, and you are happy, then good for you
Cheers, Troy.
Go to sleep for a few hours and look what happens!
Peter: your post up top there perfectly illustrates the point of my last few pages of posts. You guys are on the same "side", and yet there are those differences...
WPG I wasn't meaning to make fun of your religion, it's called debate, but if you (or anyone else) feels I am belittling your religion then it's time for me to stop. Greater minds than ours have debated this topic and as we all know, neither side will have anything new to say, nothing will be proven conclusively and our respective feelings are all quite obvious to each other.
WPG wrote:
[b said:Quote[/b] ]Since you choose not to believe in God then I don't think you would understand what I am trying to say since you have already made up your mind and have set your standards to that.
In saying this you are wrong - I do not "choose" not to believe in God, I can not believe in God! If I add up the evidence of his existence in my head, it doesn't make sense to my way of thinking.
If you don't understand this, ask yourself what is your favourite colour. If your fav colour is (for example) blue, then ask yourself why you choose not to like red as your fav colour. You can begin telling everyone that you like red best and start wearing red clothing, etc but it won't change the fact that you really like blue better. I cannot make myself believe any more than you can make yourself like a different colour.
Mike, thank you very much for the offer of the notes but my wife attends weekly Bible study here and I have seen her notes. As I cannot accept the Bible as being anything other than a book that was created by the hand of man, the words don't mean anything to me when I read them.
Aaron, good luck dude.
While I have been fighting for a little slack from the others re your beleifs, I too have concerns. You do know that Joseph Smith "read" the plates (which weren't actually seen by anyone other than a bunch of his cronies) by putting a magic seer stone in his hat and covering his face with it? This has been confirmed by the eyewittness accounts of his wife and the other people that he dictated to?
I'm sorry that this will no doubt provide fuel for the mainstream Christians to "dis" you all the more but you're a great person and I'd hate to see all your postivity and goodwill go to waste on something that MAY be a scam. I hope you have done some unbiased research on the basis of your religion and if you have, and you are happy, then good for you
Cheers, Troy.