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Nepenthes Hamata Selected clone- worth it?

Hey Guys. I need some input.
Do you think that recent stock of Nepenthes Hamata- selected clone is worth investing Two hundred and Thirty dollars in? It looks SO nice, but i want to know if its worth spending my christmas budget on. Anyone else get it? what is your experience with the clone if so? PICS WELCOME!!!- to determine size upon receiving the plant if i do.
 
I would say yes only if you are absolutely certain that you have the correct set up to take care of it and you understand that it is $230, which is a lot of money to spend on a single plant.
 
230$ is pretty expensive for a small hamata.
 
what selected clone are you even talking about
 
Myles im talking about the one being sold at an online store
 
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My two cents? Well, from spending at least $10,000 on saltwater tanks in just four years, having to have multiple $200 anemones, designer fish, rare corals... I would say that there is too much peer pressure from the media saying only the cool growers have hamata. You have to have a toothy nep, you have to have a nep like jamban or dubia, ect. But I'm like BS! $278.75 for a 2" PLANT. You just spent $300 on a freaking seedling! I found a hamata like 3" at a plant show for $70 and passed it up because it was a rip off. I won't even spend $70 on a massive nep in a hanging basket. When I have spent over $50 on a nep, I regret it. I don't like my hamata x platychila that much and it doesn't like me... I had to have it because it was a "cool" nep but it isn't really that special IMHO.

So my next point is, if you like it, you should get it. If you don't like it or you like something better, don't get it! I had to have a pair of ORA Grade 'A' Picasso Clownfish... Like $100 each, and they didn't even send the right ones, but that's another story. Wanting them felt so good and I would dream about them, literally... I had dreams about them weekly, I wanted them so bad. Then I got them and I liked my regular orange and white clownfish better that I paid $15 and were close to mating. You may want one, but you may not like it that much when you get it. Beauty is in the eyes of a beholder. To be completely 100% honest, I would pick a nice ventricosa over hamata or attenboroughii any day. The only reason people like hamta and attenboroughii is because they're rare and expensive, or at least they used to be super rare. Now everyone has attenboroughii seeds... I can name like five people off the top of my head that have seeds, some that have germinated seeds! The only reason hamata is exclusive is because it is expensive since nobody can afford it... I give you, it is very cool with the "teeth" and all and it is very nice, much nicer than like sanguinea and others that are boring... Not worth $300 for a tiny plant though.

I personally wouldn't buy it, but I think you get my point so I'll stop ranting. I have been called retarded and other names in the chatbox because of my opinions on this and I'm sure people will harass me about it until I die... But seriously, it is like going into Nieman Marcus and buying a $200 candle because it is from Nieman Marcus. My friend went into there are actually found a $200 candle, an $800 picture frame and $4000 coats that were nothing special. The only reason people shop there is because they think the stuff is amazing and since it is so expensive, everybody assumes if you have it you are amazing. But would you recognize Nieman Marcus clothing if you walked by a man on the street? Same with neps, if your friends saw your collection and you told them, "Hey, that plant is called a hamata! I paid $300 for it!" they will be like "You're stupid goodbye."
 
Don't order from there. They sell dying plants.
 
Thats some inspiring stuff pineapple. alright i am now seriously considering what i actually wanted was something like you said- attenbourghii or edwardsiana or klossi when it is released next year. I guess the only reason i was considering the hamata is because christmas is almost here and almost EVERYTHING is off the shelf (all rare nepenthes, at least). I guess i can wait a little longer then!! GOSH i wish there was still an attenbourghii or edwardsiana still for sale.
 
I believe he was saying to NOT want stuff like edwardsiana or attenbourghii because everyone else has/wants it. I would get some cool neps or dews with that money. Theres Spectabilis, aristo... etc. I would personally fill up my tank with dews of all sorts.
 
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yes i understand but he also said to get what i wanted, and i actually want an eddie or an attenbourghii
 
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That particular merchant has a reputation for selling mediocre plants for the highest prices. I bought a few plants from them a year ago, and half of my purchases were very poor specimens, for which I paid far more than I should have. I recommend buying elsewhere.
 
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aperture are those hamatas from said retailer different from standard hamatas? as in are they the purple-peristome and all? or are they regulars- if you happen to know.
 
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They are BE clones, and by looking at the picture I see they do indeed have purple peristome.
 
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Don't order from there. They sell dying plants.

That particular merchant has a reputation for selling mediocre plants for the highest prices. I bought a few plants from them a year ago, and half of my purchases were very poor specimens, for which I paid far more than I should have. I recommend buying elsewhere.

+1 to the two I quoted... They won't even answer my emails when I told them I was going to buy a lowii x campanulata from them and ask the size of the actual plant. I was going to disregard what people had told me about them and give it a try since they had a good deal, but when they completely ignored me, I knew they weren't going to respond to my emails when they send me a dying plant. They definitely have something to hide. Hanging basket doesn't mean the plant will be huge, they can but a seedling in a hanging basket and it wouldn't be false advertising. Just like how 4" pot doesn't mean big plant. Buy from a site that will tell you the actual size. Go to a supplier that orders from BE and reserve a plant with them for when they order next.
 
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If you want it then buy it, you only live once and as long as you aren't putting your mortgage or car payments on hold to do it why not. If you wait and shop around you will definately find one for less and Wistuba in Germany is well known, reliable and very inexpensive (40,00 EUR). He has stopped shipping because of winter but you can check his jaw-dropping list at his site here to see for yourself: http://www.wistuba.com/shop/pricelist/index.php
I bought my two hamata's (1.5" & 2") from Drosera Gemmae for under $100 per which might not be the least pricey but much better than $300. I wouldn't spend that much on a six inch plant either but then want or need dictates what someone will spend. If I want something bad enough then I will stretch the budget a little. I paid $85 for my 1" macrophylla just recently and didn't flinch yet a family member nearly choked after hearing what I paid after admiring the little gem. I agree about the "High Elevation" requirements being hype. All of my Neps are young and kept in my bathroom / greenhouse in 2 end-to-end neptune racks with the greenhouse bags over the top. Up until two weeks ago they were getting by with a whole house humidifier and frequent misting and temperature / humidity levels of 70-80º / 60-70%. After adding a SUNPENTOWN SU-2020 two gallon ultrasonic humidifier and the onset of colder weather the levels are now 62-74º / 80-90%. I have to admit that for the last two weeks I have been moving the hamata's and mac into a five gallon aquarium with wet sphagnum in an unheated room overnight achieving 55-60º / 100% and am noticing increased growth so even though they can be maintained in lowland to moderate conditions they will thrive if the nighttime conditions more correctly reflect the native habitat.
Just for the record, I have done some investigating and it looks like using the refrigeration assembly out of a dorm size fridge is a less expensive option that will do the job. Along with that will be an ultrasonic humidifier or fogger and control unit(s) to manage the conditions. I have seen some really cool set-ups in large home-made cases fit for a museum display but for now I will let mother nature and the humidifiers provide what they need. Go on Youtube and look around, there is a guy that used Corsair brand computer CPU coolers to chill his.
I tell everyone this and get frowns from my kids when my grandkids hear it............."If it Aint Fun, Don't Do It!"
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BE has two clones. They just started releasing the second. There is nothing 'select' about them. They are exactly what you would expect for a G. Lumut N. hamata
 
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The only hamata seedling that's worth that much (to me) comes in red and is kinda hairy. :)
 
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How did we make the jump from $230 to $300? LOL! The price is $230. (well OK, so another much more highly recomended nursery is selling larger plants for $278, but still)

I also would not recomend the referenced nursery, as I have definately gotten some sub-par specimens from them (though they have all recovered). They definately have a large selection though, which is the only reason I have ordered from them on occasion. If you keep your eyes peeled and have some patience you can get the same size plant for a much cheaper price. If you can get your hands on a small $90-$100 plant though, I would say go for it! You're not going to find larger specimens for sale in the near future. Unless you know someone with a larger plant that can get you larger cuttings, it's very unlikely to get a larger plant for a reasonable price. I spent $90 on my small hamata and I don't regret it in the least!

Regarding buying plants just becuase they are rare and expensive: I'm not saying that doesn't ever happen, but for the most part I think most of the more expensive nepenthes earn it. Don't get me wrong, ventricosa is a VERY beautiful species, but it's not on the same level as hamata, villosa, or edwardsiana,. The latter species are simply and absolutely stunning!! But obviously that is up to personal opinion; so yes, pay for the plant that you really personally want.

Another reason that some species are very expensive, which I haven't seen mentioned here, is that they may require extra care and grow very slowly compared to more common species, making them more time consuming to propogate and grow to a good looking plant.
 
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How did we make the jump from $230 to $300? LOL! The price is $230. (well OK, so another much more highly recomended nursery is selling larger plants for $278, but still)

I've seen those in person. They were selling some for $214.75 but those were tiny as heck. The small ones were not impressive at all. The $278.75 ones are much bigger. The biggest ones on their sales floor were like 3" or so, but bigger than they sound. Produce nice sized pitchers with visible, separated teeth. They bigger ones were about the size of the ones in the picture on their website... If you order, order from there, but I still would wait and get something you really want.
 
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aperture are those hamatas from said retailer different from standard hamatas? as in are they the purple-peristome and all? or are they regulars- if you happen to know.

All "standard hamata's" or "regular hamatas" sold have purple peristomes

Edit: A couple pics of my hamata for heck's sake ;) This is a clone from Gunung Lamut, Sulawesi

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/68248217@N04/8292458673/" title="011 by richjam1986, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8501/8292458673_82da15bee4.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="011"></a>

<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/68248217@N04/8293511698/" title="014 by richjam1986, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8496/8293511698_3160d9b8d9.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="014"></a>
 
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