Quote[/b] (Trent @ Mar. 22 2006,12:48)]Trying to guess these hybrids is a moot point. It's a guess and not a true ID. Unless someone on the Forums actually recognizes the plants, the best bet is to try to backtrack the history of each. Where did you get them? Speak with that person as to where they got the originals. They look like established cuttings to me, so there's a "master plant" somewhere. You are located in southern California, and I know that many of Leo Song's hybrids are bouncing around from cuttings Leo freely handed out. You never know, but for every guess someone has posted here, I could guess yet other possibilities.