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oh and the frogs tend to multiply, on a frog board i got chastized for selling some Mantellas to cheap by other mantella breeders though probably not for the reasons yah prolly think. they were worried about newbies buying the frogs who didnt appreciate what they were and treating them like a "cheap frog" however i was concerned about them going to a good home because they are quite rare as captive bred though in a couple years they should be much more common. Mantellas have been very under appreciated in the past and lots of them died because of them being a disposable pet. now the imports from Madigascar are slowly drying up and very few ppl have attemped to breed them so they are not established in the hobby..............yet. im having luck with one species, and am trying to put together several other breeding groups of other species.
ive got a $40-$50 frog coming out of the water atleast once a month at the moment. in a few months if i wind up with a pair out of these 3 ill have 2 tanks of frogs producing frogs that their is a demand for
ive got a $40-$50 frog coming out of the water atleast once a month at the moment. in a few months if i wind up with a pair out of these 3 ill have 2 tanks of frogs producing frogs that their is a demand for
No way am I going to spend 100 dollars on a plant, sorry they are cool looking, but the highest I would be willing to go for a plant is maybe around 30-40 dollars.
As for the animals, they are a bit more difrent, I would spend 100-200 dollars on a companion for life. And frogs, getting the price for the Frogs Vivariums and what not. sounds like ALOT of work to me... But Im glad that it works for you, either way, If I had the chance time and money I would love to keep some frogs!
As for the animals, they are a bit more difrent, I would spend 100-200 dollars on a companion for life. And frogs, getting the price for the Frogs Vivariums and what not. sounds like ALOT of work to me... But Im glad that it works for you, either way, If I had the chance time and money I would love to keep some frogs!
I may get some dart frogs some time. I can get any number of just about any size tank for free, so that could take some of the cost. My old marine bio teacher with whok I'm on good terms is offering me any of his unused aquariums, some're very large.
I gotta learn more about them, though! My favorite is probably the azureus (sure you know the genus if you know dart frogs.)
I gotta learn more about them, though! My favorite is probably the azureus (sure you know the genus if you know dart frogs.)
Dendrobates azureus, my wife has 2 of them
as far as dart frogs, there is ALOT more work going into keeping their food alive than keeping them going. tincs and azureus are EXTREAMLY hardy frogs if a few basic paramiters are met. im pretty sure anyone who can pay attention to the needs of CP's can keep dart frogs going. i way spend more time fussing over keeping enough fruit fly cultures going than i do worrying about the frogs
as far as dart frogs, there is ALOT more work going into keeping their food alive than keeping them going. tincs and azureus are EXTREAMLY hardy frogs if a few basic paramiters are met. im pretty sure anyone who can pay attention to the needs of CP's can keep dart frogs going. i way spend more time fussing over keeping enough fruit fly cultures going than i do worrying about the frogs
LOL, Maybe you know of a link or something that has information on keepin poision dart frogs? Or you could explain the ups and downs on keeping tropical frogs? Cause I know I would love to have a couple of them.
here is the best place to start. do lots of reading before posting any questions as some of the members get grumpy answering the same basic ?'s over and over but its about the best single source of info.
Dendroboard
here is another link with basic info
Saurian Enterprises info page
dart frogs for the most part are simple to keep. a wet, planted tank with plenty of hiding places, normal room temps, regular feeding and they thrive. as i stated before, for most such as Tincs and azureus the price of the frogs has more to do with the time put in to raising them than actual difficulty or rarity. generally its advised to stay away from thumbnails to start with as they are quite a bit smaller and there for slightly harder to feed(springtails and fruit flies) where most of the tincs and azureus can take small crickets if needed along with the smaller prey. leucs are a great first dart, they do well in groups, are generally slightly cheaper than tincs and are quite bold. auratus are generally cheaper but they tend to be shyer. with Tincs and azureus two females SHOULD NOT be kept together as adults as one will probably be bullied and die from the stress. azureus are generally shy when young and yah dont see them much till they are older and than they becom quite bold. tinc(atleast my 2) are jumpy and dive for cover when startled but are out quite abit and i see them all the time. one of mine is generally found plastered to the front glass of the tank watching for me to come over and feed them.
thats all the quick, general pointers i can think of off hand, ill answer any questions yah want to think up as best i can
Dendroboard
here is another link with basic info
Saurian Enterprises info page
dart frogs for the most part are simple to keep. a wet, planted tank with plenty of hiding places, normal room temps, regular feeding and they thrive. as i stated before, for most such as Tincs and azureus the price of the frogs has more to do with the time put in to raising them than actual difficulty or rarity. generally its advised to stay away from thumbnails to start with as they are quite a bit smaller and there for slightly harder to feed(springtails and fruit flies) where most of the tincs and azureus can take small crickets if needed along with the smaller prey. leucs are a great first dart, they do well in groups, are generally slightly cheaper than tincs and are quite bold. auratus are generally cheaper but they tend to be shyer. with Tincs and azureus two females SHOULD NOT be kept together as adults as one will probably be bullied and die from the stress. azureus are generally shy when young and yah dont see them much till they are older and than they becom quite bold. tinc(atleast my 2) are jumpy and dive for cover when startled but are out quite abit and i see them all the time. one of mine is generally found plastered to the front glass of the tank watching for me to come over and feed them.
thats all the quick, general pointers i can think of off hand, ill answer any questions yah want to think up as best i can
How much of a problem do you think disease is? Dart people seem a lot more precautious than others about it...quarantine and fecals. Also, coming from fish and newts, I find it a bit odd they require vitamins to survive in captivity but I suppose you get used to that in a while?
cute little buggers foresure
cute little buggers foresure
I love this site, i signed up and am looking all over the place, i find it awsome I see pings and sundews scaterd sporaticaly through out some of the vivariums! My name should stick out like a sore thumb to you!
Awww, they're so cute
. I want to get started some day raising dart frogs. Its just a little too much money for me though right at the moment. And now I know for sure I have seen you somewhere else before. Also Nflytrap, its not that odd for the vitamin thing. You have to do that for reptiles too, and lizards. They need the calcium and other vitamins so that they can have strong bones, and not get sick. Still is weird though, putting what looks like powdered sugar cover crickets in with geckos.
depends, i dont use suppliments as much as some but i have a variety of food i give them, fruit flies, springtails, isopods, termites ect. a varied diet helps out alot. termites are excellent for fattening up a skinny frog
as far as disease, depends. with wild caught its a concern though i didnt treat any of my Mantellas as none appeared sick. with CB im not worried. i only worry about disease if there is an apparent reason for it. quarenteen the frogs for a few weeks to keep a better eye on them. if all looks good i see no reason to medicate and turn them loose in their own lil forrest
as far as disease, depends. with wild caught its a concern though i didnt treat any of my Mantellas as none appeared sick. with CB im not worried. i only worry about disease if there is an apparent reason for it. quarenteen the frogs for a few weeks to keep a better eye on them. if all looks good i see no reason to medicate and turn them loose in their own lil forrest
Interesting stuff! Like I said the vitamin supplementation thing will be totally new to me, as the animals I've kept previously do just fine without it. Actually I spend almost nothing on their food as the newts eat worms from a worm bin which costs at most $5 per year to keep with occasional frozen bloodworms as a treat...fish get prepared food, worms, BBS, and daphnia/mozzies from outside or cultures. So the idea of sustaining the life of a critter with some powdered stuff is kinda funny to me. I'm betting all the reptile keepers who do this and UV light(now that is even weirder) prolly think I am crazy though. I bet baby newts which I sometimes have problems with would benefit from the supplements though.
Btw rattler any experience with Mantella baroni? Now that is one colorful mantella. I've seen a few imports at $25.
Btw rattler any experience with Mantella baroni? Now that is one colorful mantella. I've seen a few imports at $25.
I might go find a used Fish tanke and slowly convert it into a terrrium that might be suitable to house little darts!
Thanks for turning me onto another life/pocket sucking hobby!
no experiance with baroni but i have a couple madigascariensis which are quite similar, their pattern is a lil less well defined(rough edges between the colors) and their leg coloring is different im looking for more bestileo(i have a lonly male) and laevigata(so i have another bloodline going).
some critters, especially diurnal desert critters, and torts really do benifit from sunlight or an artificial equivilant. as for the powder, it sounds like your critters are getting enough of a varied diet where supliments for the most part are not needed
some critters, especially diurnal desert critters, and torts really do benifit from sunlight or an artificial equivilant. as for the powder, it sounds like your critters are getting enough of a varied diet where supliments for the most part are not needed
