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Medicine: To Use or Not to Use

Posts moved from this thread. Hope you like the title. ;) -xvart.

You can celebrate Xmas if you want. It's really fun lol. It's really no a religious holiday in the public sphere anymore. Even some Jews celebrate it.

I'd make a terrible lawyer. I'm too fair and honest :) After attending many long meetings with my rents and seeing the legal process first hand, there's no way in hell I'd ever be a lawyer. I've wanted to be a doctor since I was five and that's my life's plan. I don't know if I want to be a specialist or not... but considering the pay difference when you specialize in one field, I think I'll end up one. Too early to worry about that; I'll do whatever makes me happiest.

Lol ironically i do celebrate the gift giving which doesnt help me on my path but my soul is still young :D

I think CHEMICAL medicene needs to go...i think there is more hope in natural medicene...thought about studying to be a herbologist to go with my martial arts practice...
 
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I realize how you feel about chemical medicine, and I really believe homeopathy has a place as preventative medicine and a few minor things,and I find it very interesting (especially ethnobotanicals) but without pharmaceuticals I would have died several times by now. Today I was just talking about an allergic reaction I had and to get through it, I took five or six times the recommended dose of Diphenhydramine and I took a butt load of inhaled Albuterol (I take it systematically now, but at the time I didn't have a script for Albuterol tablets). My throat almost completely closed up and I could have died, especially with my chronic asthma, without chemical drugs.

I have a bum thyroid. It doesn't work. Period. In fact, I've got Hashimoto's thyroiditis; by body attacks my own thyroid. Without artificial hormones, I'd be like I was before I was diagnosed as a kid. Always sleepy, always hungry, always freezing (even in summer).

Propecia keeps my hair from falling out. Without a DHT blocker, I'd be bald. You could see my scalp two or three years ago. Now it's thick enough no one can tell except myself.

I have such severe allergies, I take Hydroxyzine. It's a last-ditch-effort from my doctor to treat my allergies, and is usually given to people as a sedative before surgery, as a sleeping pill, and a tranquilizer. For the first time in my life, I'm actually not watching the news to worry about the pollen count. It still bothers my asthma, which is why I'm going to ask for a corticosteroid, but not my allergies.

I could go on, but you get the point. These are pretty minor chronic conditions in the big picture, but without drugs (and I've been on at LEAST three different drugs daily ever since I can remember) A: wouldn't be here and B: wouldn't want to be here if I was. If I ever got cancer, I'm not going to chew on root bark and meditate. I realize your mother (I think it was your mother) had cancer, and as cancer runs in my family I sympathize, but leaves and flowers are no match for western medicine. Of course if I ever got cancer I'd eat up any root or flower the local shaman or herbologist sold me on the chance that it may do something, I wouldn't stop taking chemotherapy and other medicine. Look at people who don't have western medicine... last time I checked they aren't so healthy. Get a cut that becomes in the jungle, and you could be screwed.
 
Clint, you have NO idea how i feel about chemical meds... Imagine your mother, the woman you have loved your whole life, suddenly come down with this terrible disease destroying her and then these dr.'s say "heres some radiation" and watch her grow weaker, lose her memory, not able to walk properly. Then she gets this foul POISON to take and that does twice the damage of the radiation. And you know as you watch her go through these "therapies" that she is only getting weaker. and eventually her body cant take anymore because the radiation and chemo KILLED what could have kept her alive longer. When you go through that ****, Clint, then i think you can relate to how i feel about chemical medicenes.... :cry:
 
I can't imagine that happening to my mother, because it hasn't but it did happen to my aunt. She also became bound to a wheel chair, couldn't walk period, and could only sit there and drool. Sometimes she's make an animal-like noise, and an experimental treatment in Mexico before the FDA approved it for the US (It's approved now. The Gamma Knife) gave her a few more months of life. Did I mention my grandfather also died of cancer? So yes, I can understand cancer.

Adam, cancer is a serious illness. It requires a serious treatment. Chemotherapy kills cells. It's not good for you, but it works for killing cancer. It's a very delicate and acrobatic discussion talking to someone about something like this who has lost his mother, and I'm not going to psychoanalyze you. It is poison. It really is. It's a poisonous medicine. The drug Melarsoprol is similar to this, in fact it must be used with a glass syringe because it melts plastic and it it's self can kill you. Damage is done to the body to wipe out the disease. If we did not have chemotherapy, we would have far greater cancer death rates.

But you're free to believe western medicine is evil and does no good. Just don't let me ever find out you took an aspirin or antihistamine or any form of medicine beyond that which is found in nature. I'm really one to rub things like that in.
 
JLAP:

Have you ever tried supplementing local raw honey? Supposed to help with allergies, plus other health benefits.
 
And getting back on topic... ;) (great discussion, might it warrant it's own topic?)

xvart.
 
I haven't even seen unprocessed honey lol. The evil western pharmaceuticals are working great as long as I don't take it during the daytime.

I REALLY do believe in homeopathy to a poin, though. I even used to drink and make kombucha tea. I have a large jar of live culture "mushrooms" in my refrigerator. Been in there for years dormant. I should make some sometime. It's very good.

Yes, now back to the topic... sooo.... what can we say that we havn't already said lol
 
JLAP, i am sorry to hear about your aunt and grandfather, truly.
I said CHEMICAL meds...not all western meds are chemicals...such as pennicellin(sp?)
 
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Clint, you have NO idea how i feel about chemical meds... Imagine your mother, the woman you have loved your whole life, suddenly come down with this terrible disease destroying her and then these dr.'s say "heres some radiation" and watch her grow weaker, lose her memory, not able to walk properly. Then she gets this foul POISON to take and that does twice the damage of the radiation. And you know as you watch her go through these "therapies" that she is only getting weaker. and eventually her body cant take anymore because the radiation and chemo KILLED what could have kept her alive longer. When you go through that ****, Clint, then i think you can relate to how i feel about chemical medicenes.... :cry:

Adam. You have issues. Those drugs save countless lives each year. If it wasn't for radiation and chemotherapy then you would have watched your mothers cancer eat her away from the inside. I realize it was a horrible thing to see your mother get weaker, but those drugs do save lives. Trust me the cancer is worse than the treatment even though it may not seem like it. Sometimes no matter what we do the outcome will still be the same. I'm sorry for your loss, but the No drug attitude is just as bad as the too much drugs mentality. IMO There is a time and place for all drugs. Even cocaine has a medicinal use. And Fentynel is a synthetic heroine used in anesthesia all the time. Ever consider having surgery without drugs to put you to sleep?? I think not. Even local anesthesia uses a drug.

Again sorry for your loss, but drugs do have a place. I will agree we do use them too much sometimes, but not having them would be just as bad.
 
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Josh you know as well as I that a person on chemo is no more than a lab rat... no one knows for sure how chemo will react because it depends on location, severity, and condition of the person as well as the type of cancer. and who doesnt have issues?
 
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Well, you can say that about any person with any condition. Side effects with all drugs vary greatly from individual to individual because we all have unique chemistry and metabolize drugs differently. You really never do know what will happen the first time you take something, you just get a general outline of the things that could happen and have been reported by others. Some of the stuff I take may not bother me, but one of my pills could give the next person a seizure, another could make their hands shake and heart race, another could make a dude grow breasts and another could give you liver damage with long term use. OR you could suffer no side effects at all at best or minimal side effects. Each time you try a new drug for whatever is wrong (or isn't hehe) with you, you are essentially a lab rat. I mean, you probably won't get glaucoma or osteoporosis from prescription nasal spray, but you might. You probably won't hallucinate from taking one or two sudafed, but you might. There's a small chance. We're all lab rats when we choose to use medicine. The risk of real damage is low enough that the benefits outweigh them.
 
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you just proved what i meant mate... you cant prove that chemo/radiation has helped people...
 
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.... I did? I don't think I said that at all lol. I just said that when we use a drug for the first time, we can't predict with a magic crystal ball which side effects we'll get. We just have a general list of side effects we may or may not get.

Check out this graph. Finding cancer statistics isn't as easy as you'd think, and I wish I found a source with a longer period of time.
 
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sources can be as biased as people... do you really think the govt gave the true death count of those GIs lost in nam?
 
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I don't think the national cancer institute has a reason to lie. Instead of writing it off, show me something that says chemotherapy doesn't save lives. Show me something that explains how fewer cancer patients would be dieing if we did not have chemotherapy.

JC, could you change it to Medicine?
 
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I completely understand where you are coming from on the whole biased side we see this every day in the current presidential candidate race. I'm going to be completely honest, it sounds like you are making it into a conspiracy theory. Conspiracy theory's can be healthy in moderation. (I love conspiracy theory's)

I'm fairly certain that Hospitals have to be very very careful with who they proclaim died from what. Otherwise they would deal with a huge lawsuit, which would close down a Hospital. Doctors wouldn't do that, they wouldn't risk their jobs let alone other people jobs just to get more people to take chemo therapy.
 
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Think about it this way:

Chemo: might kill you
Cancer: will kill you

Now which would you prefer?
 
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Roots and berries certainly have their place in a experimentally minded persons arsenal but I don't believe herbs along with prayer and fasting is going to help someone who needs real medicine, such as insulin or heart meds.
 
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I said CHEMICAL meds...not all western meds are chemicals...such as pennicellin(sp?)

I hate to sound like a complete and total idiot but radioactive isotopes are not chemicals either, they are elements. Additionally, radioactive isotopes occur naturally everywhere, and therefore they are part of the natural world.
 
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