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So it was like 70 degrees here (in Eastern PA) yesterday and.. let me remind you all.. it's JANUARY.. WINTER! 70 degrees!?!

I think I speak for everyone when I say.. "WTF!"

Was it oddly overly warm anywhere else? I've heard that this year is going to be the warmest year yet worse than 2005 (as that was the current warmest). I guess that means no snow this year. :/

Oi.. we have a problem on our hands. :/
 
El Nino.... I don't really buy into the global warming thing... But that doesn't mean I don't think some things need to be changed.
Andrew
 
Ahh I forgot about El Nino. I need to wiki that, I still don't know exactly what that is. x_x
 
A weather system that goes through the USA ( other places too..)every couple of years.. with warmer and usually wetter weather. But yes, read up on it. Interesting stuff. I think there is also "El nina" so check that out :)
 
We are experiencing an El Nino effect this season? Was wasn't I notified sooner!? J/K
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Yeah… the effect of global warming cannot be effectively measured from one year to another based on temperature. The process is very slow, so one cannot blame a drastic or moderate (or sometimes even a very tiny) increase in annual temperature solely to global warming. Like Andrew mentioned, El Nino is probably the main culprit… If you want some snow just pray for a cut-off low to hit your area, although you are located quite north…
 
El nino is a warming of the waters of the Pacific. It causes very crazy weather in different places. It causes more storms in the west. Notice the floods in the north west and the snow around Denver. It causes warmer weather in the eastern US and tornadic weather in the southeastern US. It also causes less hurricanes in the Atlantic. I do believe that all of these situations have or are occurring this year. Don't worry the snow will come for you guys in the north.

Now the problem about global warming, Some people believe that when we have a warm winter and a killer hurricane year, it is absolute proof that global warming is happening. But look through history weather goes through cycles.

On the other side of this is people that say it's no way related to global warming, because look at history weather goes through cycles.

The truth I believe is right in the middle, yes weather goes through cycles. Look at the hurricane cycle. We are on a historic cycle with bigger and more hurricanes. That's normal and nothing to do with global warming. We are in a period of time that would have had a higher number of hurricanes than normal even if the earths temps were the same as they were 100 years ago. What global warming does is speeds up those cycles. Storms can be bigger and stronger. Same with El nino. We will start to have stronger El ninos and they will come more often.

The thing that is really scary is to think how much El nino changes our weather. El nino is caused because of an area in the Pacific gets a few degrees warmer every few years. Just think what will happen if the whole ocean warms by twice that.
 
Interesting... global warming is really scary when you think about it. It always reminds me of the movie "The Day After Tomorrow". THat was like the first non-horror movie to scare me, ever. Just a few degrees in temperature can do so much damage. It's crazy.
 
Yeah, I just hope that it doesn't drastically harm my plants!
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really though, it is a topic that has my mind a lot and I honestly don't know what to think about it. I just hope that whatever this "Global Warming" is planning to do can be stopped!
 
Well, global warming is certainly a fact - even the Bush administration finally admited to it. Not a knock on them, they were just mostly skeptical until recent data emerged.

There's some talk that the permafrost layer in Siberia may thaw soon.

Greenland glaciers are disapearing.

Well, at least we have time to prepare - not like a suprise asteroid!
 
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I'm really enjoying it right now
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temps have been more or les normal here....unpredictible as all heck....typical Montana weather..........we have been warming up for over the last 100 years and will prolly continue to do so and would be doing it even if man was not on the planet.......you do realize the last major ice age was only 10,000 years ago and there was a mini one that we just started coming out of that lasted several hundred years with it coming to an end roughly 100 years ago..............does man affect the world? sure mainly through habitat destruction, do we have a significant effect on the weather? unlikely, solar radiation accounts for more energy hitting the earth in one day than we could ever hope to compete with by putting "greenhouse gases" into the air in 100 years........tis simple energy figures......
 
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I have to disagree with you a little. The greenhouse gases don't heat up the earth. Like you said, solar energy almost 100% controls our weather. The greenhouse gases traps solar heat that would have been deflected into outer space.

The oceans only have to heat up a few degrees for us to have some really bad effects. El nino is proof of that.
 
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that may be true Ozzy but the bad effects are only a problem for us and us alone. the rest of the natural world has been through swings before and will weather them just fine, sure some specilized species may die off but it is the normal course of things. in the actual large scheme of things we cant screw things up enough to be absolutly devistating for anything but our species. when we are gone nature will continue on with out so much as a second thought about us. i cant stand ppl screaming that we are screwing up nature cause we arent other than in localized incidents. any b*tching about us sending the world down the toilet is purly selfish cause in the end its our own skin that we care about not some endandgered mouse on some remote African mountain top.

species adapt ands survive, heck in some of the largest cities in India with populations in excess of 8 million leopards are still considered very real threats taking on average between 1 and 2 ppl a month even in the most urban of areas. infact man killing off the tigers and lions in india and the lion in Africa has caused a boon in leopard populations.........specialists die out, generalists take over tis the way its been for the last 4.whatever billion years.........we are just the latest cause of mass extinction instead of an asteroid. i highly doubt we as a species have more than baout another 2000 years at the top of the food chain than we will for all intents and purposes be wiped out, dont think we are smart enough to survive much past that
 
  • #14
I agree with you there. There was a song years ago that said "We are bringing Mother Nature to her knees"
Everytime I heard that song I use to always think, that was wrong, Mother Nature will bring us to our knees.

I believe that is exactly what you're saying.

It's true that the Earth will go on after we are gone. It may not be the same, but in on form or another it will go on. Even if we have a full nuclear war, some life will go on and evolve.

With all that being said, it's still a problem for us and some other species. It's something that needs to stopped one way or another, for our own sake.

2000 years? You are giving us WAY more credit than I would.

I think we can count the years we have left in decades, and centuries if we're lucky.
 
  • #15
I want to be around for the end of the world. Sure it's selfish of me but what a way to die. I want to be partying when I go, celebrating my life and all my friends lives.

Rave to the grave!
 
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nah i think we will last longer than that though i wouldnt be surprised if i see a major plague in my life time. figure weve got 2K left, maybe not everywhere but i bet there will be a few major population centers up close to that. a full blown nuclear war wont wipe out even close to everything. places in South America, Austailia, Asia and Africa are still way to sparsely populated to take a direct hit and without a direct hit species get a chance to adapt, and thats all nature needs. there have been several extinctions in the past that wiped out 90% of the species. doubt we could hit 50% if we tried. gives us to much credit. not saying its "right" we are wiping out species left and right just saying its pretty inevitible and in the grand scheme of things means little.
 
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[b said:
Quote[/b] ]that may be true Ozzy but the bad effects are only a problem for us and us alone. the rest of the natural world has been through swings before and will weather them just fine, sure some specilized species may die off but it is the normal course of things. in the actual large scheme of things we cant screw things up enough to be absolutly devistating for anything but our species. when we are gone nature will continue on with out so much as a second thought about us. i cant stand ppl screaming that we are screwing up nature cause we arent other than in localized incidents. any b*tching about us sending the world down the toilet is purly selfish cause in the end its our own skin that we care about not some endangered mouse on some remote African mountain top.

This shows a incomplete understanding of the concept. There is absolutely no evidence that it will effect only us, and secondly, yes NATURE goes on, but on the species specific level, dramatic and irreversible changes happen. Mountain species are particularly at risk, as are reptiles who have tempeture sex determination


Carbon dioxide traps heat. That is a fact. Before industrialization, the concentration of carbon dioxide in the air was approximately  260 to 280 ppm. Since the extensive use of fossil fuels, this amount has increased rapidly. From a 25 year periodstarting in 1958, the concentration f carbon dioxide increased from 315 ppm to more than 340 ppm and it continues to rise. did you realize it does not take 10,000 years to come out of an ice age? This argument assumes that because it was colder in the past, it will be warmer in the future because thats the way the world works. Newsflash. According to climatological data, that isnt how the world works. Interglacial periods are periods of relative stability.




[b said:
Quote[/b] ]The global annual temperature for combined land and ocean surfaces is expected to be very close to the record global temperature that was established in 1998 under the influence of an extremely strong El Niño episode. There has been no such El Niño event in 2005, but rather, unusual warmth across large parts of the globe throughout the year


Also there has been no  El Niño effect this year according to the NOAA SEE HERE, so this cannot be blamed on  el nino!
 
  • #18
Yeah in the grand scheme it's irrelevent. The earth will be destroyed anyway faaar in the future.

It's really nice. We are born of stardust and oneday we will become stardust again.
 
  • #19
Yes everything cannot last forever, so anything between now and then is irrelevernt. Ill die eventually, so i will go @#$% up my life now. Sorry clint, but that argument just does'nt make sence
 
  • #20
funny saw the weather channel describing el nino just this weekend

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love that argument............Finch, please sit and think a minute just how long crocodilians have been on this planet, they are very temperature dependent for the sex of their eggs.........they have been around what? well over 100 million years.......through how many warming and cooling cycles and are still going strong. if your going to use that argument please actually sit and think about it for a minute and tell me why they are still on this planet if small changes in temps are supposed to wipe them out when they currently populate every continent but antactica and europe and they have only been out of europe for maybe the last 5 million years
 
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